NVM

Quoting CubbyUps:

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Perhaps it's something I missed, but it seems that uncredited cast members are no longer showing up in the CLT results.

"Uncredited" shouldn't show up in the "credit" lookup tool---they have no credit.

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That goes for ANY two actors with the same name, uncredited or not, as long as you have just one of them in your collection, so that argument has nothing to do with the OP's issuel

Quoting dee1959jay:

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That goes for ANY two actors with the same name, uncredited or not, as long as you have just one of them in your collection, so that argument has nothing to do with the OP's issuel

Except that he said it was a problem because people who didn't have one, wouldn't know that you needed a BY for the other.  For a person to know they need a BY they must A) know that there are two different people with the same name, and B) have both of those people in their database.  The CLT won't help them with either of those...unless you click on every single title listed for that actors name.  As I don't believe the average user is going to do that, I don't believe the OP's issue is with the CLT.

That being said, when you enter a name in the CLT, the results say ""Actor Name" is credited in the following # titles."  Since uncredited actors, by definition, aren't credited in anything, they should not be included.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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So in my example of Sally Field, then if I owned the documentary and have dvds with the actress, that since the real life Sally Field doesn't show up in the CLT that a BY for the actress can't be contributed because it doesn't show up in the CLT.

I am not sure what the CLT has to do with contributing BYs so this bit confuses me.

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I mean how are voters going to know that her BY is needed when they go look up her name in the CLT and just see the actress.

If uncredited were allowed in the CLT, all the CLT would show is that there is a person by that name in that documentary.  It would not let anybody know that it was a different person as the CLT doesn't say 'Sally Field (actress)' and 'Sally Field (real person)'.  All the CLT would show is, ""Sally Field" is credited in the following 188 titles (590 profiles)."  There is nothing to indicate that there may be more than one Sally Field.

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Sure I could put in the notes which UPC# the uncredited real life SF appears, but doesn't that mean that either the voters has to take a contributors notes on blind faith since the CLT is worthless in this case or really asking the voters to download that specific profile to actually verify that an Uncredited SF appears in said documentary.

Unless they actually watch the documentary, and see that it is a different person by that name in the documentary, yes, they are going to have to take the contributors word for it as the CLT doesn't tell them that it is a different person...which is the reason the BY is needed.

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What about adding a check box feature to the CLT that would allow Uncredited cast to appear to verify more easily for voters to verify a contributors notes.
These uncredited cast profiles wouldn't be added into any numbers and thus wouldn't screw up the CLT results.

And does screeners have access to Uncredited cast to verify a contributors notes about uncredited cast in a specific profile on the CLT or some other tool they use?

The CLT serves one function, and one function only, to determine the most commonly credited form of an actors name.  I don't know why the screeners, or voters, would use this for anything other than that purpose. 

NVM

Quoting CubbyUps:

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Many times times during a documentary they will flash a person's name beneath them while being interviewed.

Because these real life people aren't listed in either the opening or ending credits they can't be credited per the rules and must be entered as Uncredited. That's how I read the rules.

And that's where I think you're wrong. If an interviewee is identified through captions or even orally, I'd still say they're credited. This issue has been discussed extensively here,
here and
here

NVM