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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am a bit uncertain of the title capitalization rules that should be followed in DVD Profiler. There seems to be a lot of different rules out there, so it's not entirely clear to me which to apply.
Here is what I am trying to do now (when updating ClipCapitalizer):
- Always capitalize the first and last word.
- Keep the following words in lower case (unless first or last):
a, an, and, as, at, but, by, for, in, nor, of, off, on, or, out, to, the, up, vs
Have I missed anything?
Edit: I see that in the rules it says AP style. That doesn't help me much though. So any thoughts are welcome. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another thing; I seem to recall having read long ago that Invelos' title filter (on contribution) doesn't exactly match the Capitalization Tool that is found in the rules. Does anyone know if that actually is the case, and if so what the difference is? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
I am a bit uncertain of the title capitalization rules that should be followed in DVD Profiler. There seems to be a lot of different rules out there, so it's not entirely clear to me which to apply.
Here is what I am trying to do now (when updating ClipCapitalizer):
- Always capitalize the first and last word.
- Keep the following words in lower case (unless first or last):
a, an, and, as, at, but, by, for, in, nor, of, off, on, or, out, to, the, up, vs
Have I missed anything?
Edit: I see that in the rules it says AP style. That doesn't help me much though. So any thoughts are welcome. What about these word examples, they stay lower case using the Invelos capitalization tool: • yet • aka ("also known as" ) |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
What about these word examples, they stay lower case using the Invelos capitalization tool:
• yet
• aka ("also known as" ) I actually realized "aka" when testing, but I would not have guessed "yet". Thanks for that! I'm a little surprised that the capitalization tool capitalizes "From" and "With". There are a lot of titles in the database where those are not capitalized. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | There's an oddity in Invelos' capitalization tool. If you enter a title in all caps, it only changes those special words.
BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
is changed to
BATTLE for the PLANET of the APES
rather than
Battle for the Planet of the Apes
That seems a bit weird to me. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 28 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
(...) Here is what I am trying to do now (when updating ClipCapitalizer):
- Always capitalize the first and last word.
- Keep the following words in lower case (unless first or last):
a, an, and, as, at, but, by, for, in, nor, of, off, on, or, out, to, the, up, vs
Have I missed anything? Looks great  I can only see two words missing; 'so' and 'yet' (as mentioned by ObiKen). | | | | Last edited: by Kishiro |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | What about von/Von, when it's part of a name in a title? (The inconsistent use of this for names in the database makes me, as you might expect, incandescent with fury, but it has a relevance to titles too.)
There are probably other words mostly from non-English titles (or 'foreign words' adopted into English), plus the fact the other languages aren't so keen on capitalising most things. Not sure how the capitalization tool deals with these.
Maybe Invelos should had gone down the Discogs route and just capitalised every word; not technically correct but a lot easer to do. | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | Title capitalization seems to be used in English only. It is a problem in capitalization tools, because it is so hard to detect what language a short string is in. I have tested a couple of language detection controls, but they are way too incorrect for this purpose. I am working on a tool that will let you check all titles, original titles and rating details in your collection. It'll show incorrect results for non-English entries, but that's something we will have to live with (and ignore). Here's a preview, showing incorrectly capitalized words:  Obviously "Geweld, angst" is German and should not be title capitalized, but what can I do?  Checking locality and/or CoO is also too much hit-or-miss. Anyway, for English I think I am close to the results that the title capitalization tool show. At least I haven't noticed any obvious mistakes. But it's really hard to be sure. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,645 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why would "Off" be lower case for rating details since the guidelines state "For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words"? |
| | Registered: August 7, 2007 | | Posts: 102 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also, the first word after a colon or dash must be capitalized even if it is otherwise in lower case. E.g.:
Correct: Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home
Incorrect: Star Trek 4: the Voyage Home. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Why would "Off" be lower case for rating details since the guidelines state "For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words"? I don't know, but that's how Ken's capitalization tool does it, so I follow suit. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting movie_madness: Quote:
Also, the first word after a colon or dash must be capitalized even if it is otherwise in lower case. E.g.:
Correct: Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home
Incorrect: Star Trek 4: the Voyage Home. Yes, I'm handling colon. I hadn't thought of dash. Making a note of that. Thanks! Edit: I think you meant hyphen rather than dash. It seems you can't use dash (en dash or em dash) in titles or rating details. We sometimes refer to a hyphen as a dash, but that is technically incorrect, afaik. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Geweld, angst is Dutch, while these word also appear to be German as well in the context of rating details i don’t think they are used in German ratings as such, Dutch Rating details have Geweld, Angst, Discriminatie, Grof Taalgebruik, Seks and Roken, Alcohol en Drugs (used to be Alcohol en Drugs Misbruik if i recall correctly). |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kishiro: Quote:
I can only see two words missing; 'so' and 'yet' (as mentioned by ObiKen). Sorry, forgot to comment on this before. I have added "so". Thanks for the heads up!  I am now up to this: a, aka, an, and, as, at, but, by, de, for, in, nor, of, off, on, or, out, so, to, the, up, vs, yetAll these have been verified in Invelos' capitalization tool. If anyone can think of any other joining words that are missing, please let me know. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,688 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
Geweld, angst is Dutch, while these word also appear to be German as well in the context
of rating details i don’t think they are used in German ratings as such,
Dutch Rating details have Geweld, Angst, Discriminatie, Grof Taalgebruik, Seks and Roken, Alcohol en Drugs (used to be Alcohol en Drugs Misbruik if i recall correctly). But does Dutch do title capitalization? No matter, the program will do title capitalization by the English rules. I guess the user will have to decide if it is applicable to any other language. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's others to add to the list:
out
per
pro
qua
via
I would also check whether the word is preceded by other characters, such as parenthesis or brackets, as this may result in the capitalization of the words before and after the character. If a comma precedes these special characters then it may only capitalise the following word. That is my observation, for what its worth. | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
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